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Subject: {ASSM} How to deflower a virgin
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:10:05 -0500
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Someone named "Dankauf" asked >Any of you know how to seduce and convince a
virgin to "give" you her virginity without having to be her Boyfriend (BF)?

   If that is what she wants, let someone else have her..  Let her have
that on her terms (being her steady BF) if she wants it that way, but with
someone else, if you don't want to promise her that.  You could tell her
that if she will let you have it, no promises about the future but you will
be careful and tender with her (and mean it, don't just say that).  Don't
lie to a woman to get this.

   On the other hand, you could say that you will do it, but while you
can't promise to be her long-term BF, in order to teach her right so that
she gets the maximum benefit, she has to do this every night with you for a
week.  You're not lying to her and you now have your date card filled for
the next 7 days!  :) And knowing you've got a virgin that really wants you
to fuck her every night for the next week has got to beat a sharp stick in
the eye any day!

   And don't forget the fringe benefits here.  A considerable number of
women who are young - 19 to 26 - are taking birth control pills, even
though they are not sexually active, because the hormones also control some
skin problems they might otherwise have.  Find out if she's taking them at
low dose or at birth control strength.  Because guess what fella: if she is
using birth control at full strength (and you can trust her that she's not
lying) and if you know you're clean, you get to fuck her without a rubber
AND pop her cherry!  That's a big win for you.

   But don't promise her that you'll be her boyfriend if you don't mean it.
Most of us have become sick-and-tired of women deciding they will make us
jump through hoops to get from them something we want very much that if we
do it right they can also enjoy too.  So we should not do that sort of
thing to them, otherwise we deserve everything they do to us because of
what one of us doing this to them.

   Be honest with yourself for a moment.  Would you want a woman to do
something similar to you, promise you something, then give you the
run-around just because she got what she wanted?  Just because women treat
guys like AFCs (Average Frustrated Chumps, guys who don't get laid) is no
reason to give one an excuse one she will be damn well entitled to make,
thanks to you - to start doing that to other guys in the future just
because you lied to her in order to get the extreme privilege of popping
her cherry.  There are enough non-virgins around with whom you can get laid
without much of a problem, to be that kind of a bastard to a nice girl.

   If you know she is, this is one time where you damn well better drop any
preconceptions about "I get something then you get something." If you got
her to give you this it means she trusts you a lot which means you need to
show her you deserve what she is trusting you with: her entire sexual
future.  Mess this up fellas, and you could turn this girl into a lesbian;
do it right, and you'll make her into the woman of tomorrow who will enjoy
sex and will be much more interested in letting guys have her in the
future. A girl treated right today is the more receptive woman of tomorrow.

   You need to calm down her fears, mostly that it's going to hurt like
root canal surgery without anesthesia, and that she's going to bleed like
the re-enactment of Rape of the Sabine Women.  Tell her you understand that
she's apprehensive and needs to relax.  She may want to have some wine,
maybe half a glass, but tell her not to get drunk, just a little relaxed,
you want her to remember what you are going to try to make a beautiful
experience for her that she will remember as long as she lives.

   Basically, you want to let her know that since she's probably not
stretched those muscles down there the way sex will, it may be a bit
uncomfortable at first, the way it is uncomfortable to get up if you've
been sitting for a long time, say, watching a movie.  Do not mention pain;
my personal opinion is that if you don't tell her it's going to hurt, it
might not, but if you tell her, it will, she's going to believe you.

   Also tell her that it's not going to be that "be all, end all, sky
rockets in flight" thing she's heard about.  In all probability she might
not feel much of anything, because it may take time.  Ask her if she's ever
masturbated; surprisingly enough, many girls have never masturbated.  If
she has never masturbated, chances are she won't orgasm at all.  Tell her
the truth; the more you let her understand that sex is a learned activity,
just like riding a bike, and it takes time to learn to do accurately, the
better it will be for her because you've let her know not to expect too
much.

   The idea is that, without putting her down and making her think that
this is going to be horrible, what you are going to do - but don't tell her
this - is to do the equivalent of the classic "excellent supplier" routine
in business.  You are going to under promise and over deliver.  What you
are going to tell her is the worst case scenario, least good outcome, that
it will be uncomfortable, she won't feel much and won't come.  The better
it is for her, the better she will feel about sex because she expected so
little but got much more than she expected.

   Do you want to make her feel real good about herself, real nice?  When
you get her in bed, tell her how pretty her vagina is.  Always tell her
that her vagina is beautiful.  Kiss it.  Tongue her clit.  In fact, there
are a lot of women who have never even seen their own vaginas!  Remember,
as far as you're concerned, the most beautiful part of her anatomy, the
part of her you have had the most interest in, is her vagina?  Why? 
Because it is such a wonderful device for providing pleasure to you.  So
let her know how much you appreciate being able to use it.  Remember this,
if it's anything she has that is going to make you come, tell her how much
you like it.

   And when you're doing anything with her, tell her as soon as she feels
something she does not like, she should tell you immediately.  Whether it
hurts or it feels funny.  You want to desensitize her, get her used to it.

   As you use kino (contact, touching) to get a girl into being receptive
to letting you take her to bed, and you start slow and work up to it, you
do the same here.  This is one thing where you want to do this slow and
careful.

   I'm presuming you've done the usual foreplay, sucking her tits, teasing
them, touching her, finding the places that she finds most exciting, and
you've finally gotten down there and are about to work on it.

   Get her relaxed, used to feeling something down there.  Now, what you
want to find out is if she's broken her hymen.  If she has done that, no
sweat, you can just enter her as you would a non virgin, just do it slowly
so she gets used to feeling you inside of her.

   Bring lube if you can.  Usually you don't want to use too much but this
is an exception.  We're willing to take the risk of overlubricating her and
maybe not have her come the first time vs.  underlubricating her.  You may
even want to point this out to her, that normally you don't use a lot of
lube because it might make her so slick she doesn't get to come, but in
view of the circumstances you think she'd prefer to be too slippery and not
come than to have the opportunity but you use too little and it hurts.

   I think she'll appreciate not only that you understand her, you're
admitting you know she's supposed to come but this is a special
circumstance.  If you work it right she'll probably come anyway so she'll
be surprised and pleased.

   Let her know that you're going to insert one finger into her and she
should not tense up.  What you want to do is reach inside her and see if
her hymen is there.  If you need to, put about a nickel-sized dab of lube
on your finger (if she's not already really wet anyway; if she is really
wet, then you don't need the lube.) You might want to get your finger wet
from her own lubrication by rubbing it around the outside of her vaginal
lips.

   Oh by the way, if you have to use a lubricant, use something non-oil
based if you're using a condom or she is using a diaphragm; do not use
butter, margarine, Vaseline, baby oil or anything like that.  They dissolve
diaphragms and eat through condoms..  There is a product called "Wet" and
one called "Astroglide," I have heard that those are good, but expensive.
Personally when I've had to use a lubricant I use the store brand
equivalent of K-Y Jelly, but some people don't like silicone-based
lubricants.  If you use a lubricant you may want to use one without
spermicide if you have to perform oral sex on her.

   I would suggest if she's not wet, keep kissing and fondling her, or
perform oral sex on her, until she is self-lubricated with her own
moisture, or until you've done that for a while - maybe 20 minutes - and
she still isn't lubricated, then go for the lube if you have to.  But if
you can do it without added lube, do so because then you won't make her too
slick and she might just enjoy it after all.

   I want to advise you of something.  Normal women only climax about
25-30% of the time through intercourse alone, so expecting an inexperienced
virgin to do so is probably unrealistic..

   So you discover that she's really wet and excited.  You take one finger,
your index finger, the one you'd show to someone you didn't like, and you
gently push it inside, curling it to match the angle of the vagina.

   You may not be aware of this, but did you know when the vagina relaxes
it forms an angle exactly the same as your penis does when it is erect? 
That's why when you're on top of her and you give her the first down stroke
as you enter her it usually slides in easy, that's because you're both at
the same angle.

   So you push your finger in until either it is stopped by something or
you get it in all the way to the knuckle.  If it goes all the way in, guess
what, she's broken her hymen at some point in the future, since your finger
will go in that far your dick will too, you can just enter her as you would
any non-virgin.  Hymens are not all that strong, either; they get broken
through lots of ways.  Tampons, bike riding, masturbating (if she does),
falling down, etc.  If you're lucky, she's lost it earlier.

   Why is that lucky?  Well, you get a double benefit.  You get to fuck
her, she's a virgin, you get to give her a nice time AND she doesn't
experience any pain on first intercourse.  She will really appreciate that.
And you might use that to your advantage.  Such as being able to take
advantage of her again!

   One possible thing you can do at this point to perhaps try and give her
some pleasure, is to curl your finger slightly like the hook on a coat
hanger and try feeling for some bumps.  If you stroke them and she gets
excited, guess what, fella, you just hit her G-Spot.  I've done it myself
in more than one woman exactly the same way.  In fact, I did it so well
that one of them begged me to stop, I was making her come too much, she
couldn't stand it!

   But if you feel some sort of resistance when you push your finger in,
that means she has not broken her hymen.  You can try stretching it a
little with your finger, seeing how tough it is, but try not to push too
hard, you don't want to break it just yet.  You want that privilege
reserved for your penis.  To her, this is a special event in her life, if
it happens, she's entitled to have the "ceremonial" destruction of her
hymen done through intercourse.  This you're doing to be special to her. 
You could just break the thing with your finger, but women live by symbols
and emotion, let her have this special event to remember it by.

   This is when you tell her the news.  You tell her you know she has a
hymen, and you have to break it.  That you're going to try to break it
gently, and that might work, but if not, you're going to have to break it
hard and there is the possibility, very small, that it might hurt a little
if you have to do that.  And you want her help to try to prevent that.

   Of course she's going to be interested.  So presumably she's ready to
have sex.  If she isn't using birth control, now you put on a rubber,
otherwise you can just get on top of her.  Tell her in view of what you're
trying to do, you'll get on top so you can do this right.  (You could also
have her get on top and impale herself onto you if you want, you can forget
most of the rest of this except you might push up when she slides down.)

   You get between her legs, you aim your penis for her opening, and you
tell her, on the count of three to lift her ass off the bed and move toward
you, not real hard, but like a little hop.  While you are doing this, get a
finger wet, and place it at the top of her vagina near the clitoris.  Get
ready.  Aim.  Say it slowly, 1-2.  When you say "3", move into her with a
firm stroke, don't hesitate, but don't be really rough or hard either,
while at the same time, gently swipe your wet finger down her clitoris
firmly.  "Down" meaning from the pudendum above her vagina, down toward
where your penis is going into her.  If her hymen is normal, you should
rupture it without too much discomfort on her part, and by tickling her
clitoris at the same time you might just distract her enough that she
doesn't notice for the half second that it takes you to take her virginity.

   If she complains it hurts, try stretching her a little more with your
finger, and try again.  You can do this maybe twice, but if it doesn't
work, you have to use the last chance strategy.

   Tell her that unfortunately, the only way you can break her hymen is to
use full force, and it is going to hurt.  Offer her the option that she
could just stop, but that if she's willing to go along, you will because
you realize what an amazing thing she's doing for you, actually accepting
pain so you can receive pleasure from her, and you realize how special that
is.

   While you really don't want to hurt her, you don't have any choice
unless she wants to quit now and go see a doctor.  Basically we're going to
use as much force as we can in one shot to get it to break, and if we can't
do it, that's the end, it's over until she gets attention.

   If she says okay, you tell her to do the same thing, 1-2-3 and hop, but
she is to push up her ass off the bed and toward you as fast and as hard as
she can on 3.  Now, you're going to back up a bit, put the head of your
penis just inside her, tell her you're going to say it fast, ready, 1-2-3.
On 3, you use your pelvic muscles to ram your penis into her as hard as you
can, and while you're holding onto her ass you pull her toward you as
firmly as you can..  Try not to hit her cervix if you can avoid it.

   If it works, it's over in one big ouch.  If you still can't break her
hymen, stop.  Tell her that she has a medical condition, she needs to have
a gynecologist break her hymen, it's a simple operation.  Don't try to have
sex with her.

   Presuming you either entered her normally because her hymen was broken
earlier, or you broke her hymen easy or hard, continue here.

   Now, with your penis deep inside of this newly formed woman, lie there
for a moment, take her face in both of your hands, kiss her on the lips,
and tell her thank you for the wonderful gift she just gave you.  Ask her,
"well how does it feel to be a woman, now?"

   Let her get used to having you inside her for a while.  Besides, since
she's never had a man before, she's probably very tight and quite pleasant
to be inside.

   Tell her you're going to start on her now.  Do it easy with her, not
real hard, especially if you had to play "pop goes the weasel" because her
weasel is going to be sore.

   Pick a reasonable position, start fucking her brains out until you feel
that wonderful warning sensation.  Especially if you were able to have her
without a rubber.  And if she gets to feel it, that's a really nice
experience for her, too.  Because now you get the privilege to do something
no man has ever, or will ever do again.

   You get to be the first man who comes inside her.

   - Paul Robinson <Postmaster@paul.washington.dc.us> "The Greatest
philosopher living, possibly the greatest that ever lived."
http://paul.washington.dc.us "The lessons of history teach us - if the
lessons of history teach us anything - that nobody learns the lessons that
history teaches us." 

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