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Javier and María Luisa's story
(transcribed 1997)

Translated from the Spanish by Liana
Edited by Carol

Social worker: How old are you now, and how old were you when you entered
the orphanage?

Javier:        I am 17, I think. I don't know my birthday. We were street
urchins then, it was about ten years ago. Some of us would sniff glue, or
gasoline. We would live by our wits in the street, begging at intersections
and near hotels. Roberto and Ivana came to our country and opened an
orphanage. They selected street kids to come and live with them. Every kid
wanted to go. There was a selection, and even those who were selected were
taken on trial. Many weren't kept. I was one of the first to be accepted. We
were told if we behaved, we could stay. If we sniffed glue or made trouble,
we would be sent away. If we stayed, we had three square meals, shelter,
clothing, an education. If we were on the street we would probably die. All
of us had friends who died or disappeared.

María Luisa:   They only took boys up to eleven years old. Girls could be up
to twelve or even thirteen. I was about seven or eight also. I don't know my
exact age. We had a medical exam. Anyone with TB or hepatitis or HIV was
sent away. But we wouldn't necessarily know why we weren't accepted. The
doctor would look us over. After a while we learned that the girls had to
have nice bodies; if they were in puberty they had to have nice strong and
solid breasts, and not the droopy kind. We had to be well spoken, or rather
"capable of being educated". Of course street kids are almost never fat, but
that would be another ground for rejection. And street kids have to be smart
or they die of exposure and victimization. A kid, boy or girl, had to have a
nice physique; but that too came with the territory.

Social Worker: Where did sex fit in to life at the orphanage?

Javier:        Some of the older street girls were child prostitutes.
Roberto didn't care; he said they could be changed, cured. But later he put
their experience to use. He asked them to work with the others, boys and
girls, to show them, at least the ones who didn't know it already, how sex
was done, to make them want to do it when he told them to, with him or with
others. To enjoy it when they did it. Many of us had some communicable
disease or other when out on the street, or else skin diseases or
malnutrition for example, and dental problems. The orphanage had a doctor
and nurse who came and made us well; and they took us to the dentist. All
the boys had to be circumcised once they moved in. At the time they told us
it was for health reasons. But one of the other social workers told me a
couple of weeks ago when we were first being interviewed, that the real
reason was that [porn] movies are worth more if the boys are circumcised,
that North Americans like to see penises that are that way. I remember after
the operation Ivana called me in and took down my pants, and examined my
penis and told me how beautiful it was. It was the first time I paid
attention to my sex organs. I didn't yet know much, I hadn't cared, about
how they worked, how sex was done. Or that they could make me feel so good.
And  I didn't know what circumcision meant when they did it, that it would
make me look different. After another week, Ivana came to see me in the
morning and said she wanted to see how my penis had healed, and she pulled
down the covers and opened my pajamas. And it seemed odd to me; she kissed
it and then she put my small penis in her mouth and licked it and it
tickled. Then she massaged my penis and my balls and said she would get the
girls to look after me. I didn't understand what she meant.

María Luisa:   For a couple of months after we came and were accepted, we
were introduced to a kind of grand family life, something none of us had
never known. All of a sudden we had baths every day, and we went to school,
and we had clean clothes and three meals a day. It was only after we, the
first group, were settled that they started with inviting us to their room,
usually in pairs, and with the movies.

Javier:        We noticed first that some of the girls -- older ones, who
had been prostitutes -- would spend the night sometimes with Roberto and
Ivana. And sometimes one of the older boys would be there. We didn't think
anything of that. Then sooner or later every boy would be involved, because
they called on different boys each night, boys of any age. What happened to
me was the same thing that happened to most of the others. I was called from
the dormitory to the main bedroom that night. There were two big beds there.
One of the older girls was there, and she got in the bed with me. Then she
started to touch me the way I had been touched other time, while Roberto and
Ivana watched. I didn't like it at first, but then it started to feel good.
The girl, Fuensanta, pulled my pajamas down and then she started to massage
my little penis, and later she kissed and lick edit the way Ivana had that
other time, and she stroked it. She didn't do much more that night, but on
other nights she kept at it for a long time, playing with it and massaging
it. Eventually I started getting hard just at the thought of her touching
me, and finally she put my penis in her vagina and tried to have sex with
me. This wasn't easy because my penis didn't reach very far. Roberto took
pictures. After a while Roberto told me that I needed to make Fuensanta feel
good too, and I was taught about oral sex, how to make a girl have an orgasm
with my tongue. A lot of times after that Roberto would send Fuensanto to
play with me, with my penis.
        Roberto and Ivana didn't touch me themselves then. After I was sent
back to the dormitory they sent for an older, adolescent, boy. They had sex
with him. He said so when he came back to the dormitory. He showed off his
big penis and told us what it could do. Later, when I got older and went
through puberty Roberto would call me from time to time too for nocturnal
sex with him and Ivana, or with one of the girls, while the two of them
watched and helped. Ivana loved to touch a boy's penis or maybe hold his
balls as the penis moved in and out of a girl's vagina. And Ivana and the
girl might take turns sucking Roberto's penis afterwards. He would probably
have already had sex a couple of times that day, but he loved to have
attention paid to his penis. It was the center of his life, and he wanted us
to appreciate it too. Ivana would do whatever he wanted, and she told girls
what they had to do in order to give Roberto maximum pleasure.

María Luisa:   By the time all or most of the boys over the age of, say,
eight or nine had been seduced, Roberto and Ivana had started on the
pre-pubescent virgin girls, too. A couple of the boys began puberty within a
year, and they were of course happy to have sex with the older girls
whenever Roberto made a film. Then Roberto started filming sex with younger
children. There was a lot of fondling of genitals for the camera, both boys
and girls, and there was oral sex too. We were trained how to deal with the
semen of the older boys, so it would show on the camera. Roberto directed us
on what we should do with our bodies, where we should sit or stand or lie.
But our first vaginal sex was always on camera, after we reached the age of
ten or eleven or even older. He wanted us to have at least early breast
growth first. Usually our first sex would be with an adolescent boy. But
then Roberto might have us re-enact the scene, maybe with him, using fake
blood. And that would be filmed, too. He didn't do that with me, but he did
it with a couple of other girls I know. One good thing he taught the boys
was not to be in a hurry. I liked to stroke a boy's penis and have him
caress me and stroke my clitoris; I like foreplay, everybody does, and I
thought it was stupid to make a film that wasn't true to life in that way.

Javier:         It was some time after I got there that they started making
very small kids touch and kiss each other's genitals. They got them together
naked in small groups and they would put honey on their penises and inside
the girls' vulvas. Then they would tell the kids to have a sex party, to
lick each other's genitals. It was all filmed. Much was made about the
process of the penises getting erect, or semi-erect. A girl, even a little
girl, was supposed to be proud to excite a boy and to enjoy sex. She was
supposed to like stimulating his penis, and giving him a dry orgasm if that
was possible. Anyway, he should come to love to have his penis fondled and
sucked. It didn't take me long for that to happen; I just had to get used to
the idea.

María Luisa:   The girls were not penetrated until they were older, just
when they were reaching puberty and had breasts, as María Luisa said. Ivana
told the girls that after the first time they should not feel pain, even if
they weren't at puberty yet. Ivana said that their vaginas could stretch.
But that they had to be trained. Neither girls nor boys came naturally to
sex at such a young age. We might explore, but that was out of curiosity; we
had no real urges. Roberto said we had to be shown how a penis could make us
girls happy. And that it didn't have to be private, that others could also
watch and enjoy. We should never, ever, be embarrassed or bashful about sex.
He said that even a small boy could get a nice erection. Not every boy
could, in fact. Not every adult even. We had to learn tact; but oral sex was
always a good answer. Anyway, learning how to be an effective sex film actor
took time. Roberto wanted quality acting, not amateur rubbish, he said. In
fact, he had the girls learn modern dance because he thought it would give
them grace. I suppose it did.

Javier:        Only some of the kids had sex experience when they arrived;
especially the younger ones didn't know much. He would show them. One time
he was talking to a small group of little kids and I was there for some
reason. I must have been ten or so. Roberto had one of the kids take down
his pants, and Ivana herself started fondling him, and when his penis got
stiff she put it in her mouth, and that made it hard. His little penis was
sticking out at a 45-degree angle and girls stared at it and giggled. Then
he was told to get dressed again.

María Luisa:   Although they started showing us about sex not too long after
we arrived it was only gradually that we started actually doing it
regularly. And even then it wasn't happening every day. Still, Ivana told us
that sex was a natural urge, that we should not resist it. She tried to talk
to us on an intellectual level about how people said one thing, but they all
did another. We figured this out ourselves, because the local priest was
often at the orphanage, and he was not only there to hear confession and
lecture but also to have sex. He would always disappear for a half-hour or
so with one of the older girls. I had sex with him a lot of times, beginning
about the age of eleven. I tried to give him the best possible oral sex
because I wanted him to choose me when he visited, and he did, a lot of the
time. It was kind of funny, because he might be sitting there with a group
of the kids, and I would sidle up to him, and maybe my hand might stray to
his leg and move over to his thigh, and he would get distracted from talking
about catechism and excuse himself. And we would go off together. He would
take off his collar and the authority of his office would disappear, and
when I opened his fly he had a penis just like every other man, and was just
as easy to please. I liked to take it out, and it would be soft but when I
put it in my mouth the way Roberto had taught me, it would get stiff. I knew
how to stimulate him with my mouth. When he ejaculated I would think of his
semen in terms of the communion wafer that he gave us in church, that he was
making me somehow holier. After he finished, I would want him to lie there
for a few minutes longer so I could feel his priestly penis. But he would
want to get dressed quickly and resume his pastoral duties. I guess he was
embarrassed by his capitulation to lust.

Javier:        It would be easy to think, from your questions and our
answers, that sex was the center of our life, but it wasn't. As long as
Roberto and Ivana got what they wanted, except for the film making and
pleasuring occasional visitors we weren't interfered with. Some kids, the
most pliable, were used more for personal fun by Roberto and Ivana. And we
were all kept on our toes with "training". But filming was only occasionally
done. They might use just two of us for that, or many. Couples or groups.

María Luisa:   Years later I realized the aims of Roberto and Ivana's sex
teaching. They wanted their girls to have a special fascination for boys'
penises, and an insatiable curiosity. Those two had their own child
fetishes, obviously. And they supported themselves and the orphanage by
selling pictures of us in sex acts. There is a lot of competition in that
business. The buyers who came always said that. So Roberto's had to be
different, and he tried to get pictures of happy and eager children at sex.
That's what he told us, and that is what he did. I know now that girls who
start their sex lives very early have a different approach to sex than
ordinary girls. A penis is threatening if its owner is arrogant and bad. On
the other hand I have an urge to pleasure the penis of a my boy when he is
kind and generous because I know that it the way to get closest to him. In
other words, I can't escape from Roberto and Ivana's credo.

Social worker: But in the beginning what methodology did they use to get you
both involved in this? Did you resist?

María Luisa:   Remember, these were girl prostitutes whom they were using to
get us started. These girls were, some of them, very hard. Roberto started
himself having sex with those girls, and soon brought in the others, the
younger ones. He liked oral sex, and what they didn't already know about
that he taught them. Ivana would watch and coach them. A girl or a boy would
also pleasure Ivana. Although they themselves mostly had sex with
adolescents, even little girls were taught, and so they were brought in
sometimes to have sex with other kids while Roberto and Ivana guided them.
Mostly there were girls from age ten or eleven or older and with boys of the
same age or older. Once children were started with sex, Roberto taught them
how to do it in a special way for the films.
       There were several particular scenes that he wanted to include in his
films where adolescents and adults were concerned, and we had to practice
them on Roberto's penis, or those of older boys while Roberto and Ivana
watched, for days and days until we got them right, and he would then film
us, doing it to him and to older boys at the orphanage, and to visitors. A
girl would have to collect the semen in her mouth, maybe drip a little, then
open her mouth so the camera could see all the white stuff there, and then
she would swallow. That was one. Another would be the girl would bob her
head up and down on the penis, not too fast and at a steady pace, and just a
trickle of semen would drip from the corner of her mouth down the penis, and
then she would bob her head some more while the boy ejaculated all the rest
of his semen, and with her tongue she would have collected as much semen as
possible so it made a thick coat on the tip of his penis, and she would lift
her head off so the photographer could capture the picture of the penis that
way, and then she would lick it off like an ice cream cone before it could
drip down, and whatever semen was left on his penis or on his balls she
would lick or suck into her mouth and swallow that too. A third scene was
that the boy would have to signal when he was about to come, and she would
stop bobbing her head and instead she would run her tongue all around the
tip of his penis -- the glans -- for as long as it took and then his semen
would suddenly erupt like a fountain over her face and she would lick as
much as she could with her tongue and wipe the rest into her mouth with his
penis, and then she would lovingly put his penis back in her mouth and suck
it for a while. I had to learn all those tricks, practice them so they
looked right for the camera. We were taught that the circumcised penis was
like a miniature shrine and that it had a personality of its own, and that
we had to communicate with it. The viewer should appreciate our love.
       Sometimes Roberto just wanted to be pleasured himself and he wasn't
worried about style because we weren't practicing for the cameras and he
wasn't filming. He just wanted one or two of us girls to take his penis and
make it very hard, and to excite him and have him come in our mouths while
he just lay there, not doing anything. We would take turns kissing and
sucking his penis. Maybe he would fondle us while we did it. Sometimes, but
only if he'd had too much to drink, if we resisted or if we didn't do what
he wanted correctly, Roberto might be annoyed, and if Ivana was there she
would complain too. She might hold our head, make it go up and down the way
it should go. But as soon as Roberto's libido was being satisfied, as soon
as we would be making him feel good he would get kindly, less aggressive.
And then suddenly he would come in the girl's mouth and she had to swallow
and show that she loved what she was doing, although she didn't always if he
had yelled. Of course oral sex wasn't all of it. There was a lot of vaginal
sex too, but there it had to do with our position, the position of our legs,
and so on. When he was filming, whether he was acting in the film or one of
the boys or somebody else, we had our script and we had to do it the way we
had been told. The camera would be running all that time, and once the
ejaculation happened there would be no opportunity for a second run that
day. Sometimes there would be strangers there telling us what to do. English
speakers usually, and they might get mad if we didn't understand their
instructions. We were being taught English, but the strangers talked too
fast and might use words we hadn't learned. Those strangers would be
handsome men and boys. Roberto liked blond, blue-eyed North Americans for
his films, to have sex with us. But that wasn't always possible. He didn't
want us to say much. He said that the people who watched the film probably
wouldn't understand Spanish and our English would sound too foreign or else
wouldn't fit the mood.

Javier:        I was taught some acts; when I was told to perform one
particular act it really was the same thing each time, as María Luisa said.
In one act, whether my partner was a little girl was or an older woman. I
was supposed to undress her, slowly. If she had breasts I was supposed to
play with them and maybe kiss them, and after a while the female would
undress me and admire and play with my genitals. When I had an erection I
would take off the woman's panties. What happened after that depended on
Roberto's instructions. We didn't spend too much time licking a girl down
there. The point was for her to spread her legs and for us to arouse her,
and for Roberto to get on film everything pink and moist. It didn't make
good camera to see some boy covering up the girl's vagina with the back of
his head. It was more important to see his erection, and her breasts and her
smile. Mostly Roberto wanted penis action. And, if possible, lots of semen,
which meant in addition to abstinence the day before, foreplay and then
stopping the sex while another couple did something; then resuming.
Sometimes, not often, Roberto would have a middle-aged woman, a North
American guest, who would have sex with us. She usually wanted one of the
older teenagers, and they did their sex in private. Maybe there would be a
film, but it would be for her, to take away with her. One time, just over a
year ago, one of those women picked me to spend the night with her. I spent
a long time kissing and sucking and licking her vaginal area and especially
her clitoris, and then she had a loud climax and I put my penis in her
vagina and I didn't use a condom although I should have; she said not to
bother. And I came inside her, and she said it was lovely. The next day she
took me to a resort and I spent a week there with her, enjoying the sun and
sea and food and drink. She bought me all new clothes and took me to nice
restaurants. When she brought me back to the orphanage and went home she
gave me a watch as a present and she bought a new video and TV for the house
too.

María Luisa:   You know, once we got used to having sex, it seemed so
normal, even at our young ages. Even though we might not yet be fully
developed, our bodies. It mostly felt good, and Roberto didn't have to force
us to do anything, not after the first time anyway -- some girls resisted
their first penetration. But afterwards they would have the support of the
rest. We knew our roles. Some of the former prostitutes did anal sex for
outsiders, but most of us refused and we didn't have to. I didn't do that.
Oral sex doesn't hurt. Vaginal sex, well, it depends. It hurt in the
beginning but then I got used to it. Roberto didn't start with me right
away, with vaginal sex; he left it to a younger boy for my first time. It
was an eleven- or twelve-year old boy who took away my virginity, when I was
around ten, almost eleven according to the birthday they invented for me. On
the camera -- they wanted pictures of it, blood and all. I screamed and they
liked that. They told the boy to keep doing it, to ignore anything I said,
any pain I had, to put his penis all the way in, and to hump faster. When he
came, they made a close up, and then they had him squeeze more semen out on
top of my vagina, and I was crying. But they had their blood-and-semen
picture and were very happy with that. They tried to make it up to me, and
said the pictures were very important. But I thought it was unfair.

Javier:        For boys, of course, it was different. Roberto liked to make
films of small children having sex and loving it. He wanted the kids to look
as if they were taking the initiative. He didn't want it to look as if some
adult was abusing some little kid. When we were first introduced to sex as
little kids -- when I was still very young -- there was some group
masturbation, and later we were induced to give girls, first little girls
and then bigger ones, oral sex. Then the girls would give us blow jobs. Once
I found out how wonderful it felt, I wanted oral sex all the time. To see,
and to feel, a girl take my penis into her mouth, kissing and hugging it
with lips and tongue is unbelievable. By the time I was eleven I had to have
it all the time. As I reached adolescence I started to ejaculate, and
Roberto used me more often in films. Then sex was even better, especially
when I knew the girl would act as if she so desperately wanted to take my
semen into her body, into her mouth or vagina. Maybe she was acting, but
that's how it seemed -- she seemed eager and happy. Of course we boys talked
among ourselves about sex, and boasted sometimes, and learned from each
other. When there were two or more couples, or maybe two boys and one girl,
or two girls and one boy, sex might get competitive. We were having sex at
Roberto's direction, either practicing or on film. Sometimes we acted out a
script, pretending this or that, as in a play.

Social worker: How long did this go on for?

María Luisa:   About ten years; from a few months after we got to the
orphanage until the end. We got used to it; it was part of our life.

Social worker: What about birth control?

María Luisa:   We were on the pill, all of us girls. Ivana took care of
that.

Social worker: Condoms?

Javier:        Almost never, not among ourselves; only when outsiders were
involved. It was only later that we learned about sexually transmitted
diseases. But remember, there weren't many outsiders who didn't use condoms.
New kids were always tested first before they were admitted to the home.

María Luisa:   Life at the orphanage was so much better than on the street.
OK, they're closing it down now. They said kids were abused. But kids are
more abused, worse off, on the street. There are pimps there, there is no
doctor, no dentist. Look at my teeth. The orphanage fixed them, orthodontia
too. I got an education, I can work in a shop, as a sales assistant. I would
have grown up and begun to have sex with or without Roberto and Ivana; in
fact I probably would have been selling my body, and I wouldn't have gotten
the money, some pimp would. So overall I was better off in the clean
orphanage, with enough food, and with clothes and schooling, It was my
family, my only family. Now it's gone, or will be.

Javier:        They weren't training us to be sex workers; they told us
everybody has sex, and of course that's true. They said we were learning to
be screen actors, which was a lie, but so what? We learned to read and
write, and we learned some of the national curriculum. If the government
isn't going to care for us, then somebody has to. And the orphanage needed
to make money. I'm not going to blame them. Do you think sex is safe in the
street? No, it's not. And there's no medicine. And the johns, many of them,
don't like condoms. OK, some of the kids grew up and went back to be sex
workers. But most of those who got to age 17 or so and left with a diploma
do something respectable. And they are literate.

María Luisa:   It was different for the girls. We had to learn how to
pleasure boys and, if possible, ourselves. We had to learn about the tricks
of making a penis hard, and about rubbing its tip with our tongue and our
lips to make a boy really excited. We had to learn to be happy to see the
naked penis of a nice boy who was our friend or Roberto's friend, to fondle
his balls, to arouse and excite. And we had to learn, as girls, about the
difference between really small boys, who didn't have a natural urge, and
older boys, who wanted sex all the time. I learned that the pleasure a boy
gets from sex is much enhanced when the girl makes a fuss over his penis,
and really appreciates it, or pretends that she does, and of course when she
shows that she loves having his semen. Of course the boy should take care
that the girl has an orgasm, that she has fun too. But a lot of the time he
doesn't care, or she can't. And every so often the boy is distracted or
unable. You have to try to put him at ease then, and not humiliate. That's
what Ivana told us. And if the sex is for business, probably the girl
doesn't want to get emotionally involved or to get deep sexual pleasure
because she has to concentrate on her job. So that's a special case.

Javier:        Roberto couldn't stop the kids he had taught about sex doing
it on their own, finding partners and just having sex. But in one way he
didn't like that, because he wanted to us save up our urges, and especially
to make the boys wait until he was ready to make a film, so they would be
really horny. And he was always going on about decorum, about appearances.
So we slept in those separate buildings. What he didn't want, it seems, was
kids having sex without him knowing about it, being there. And having the
chance to film it. So long as it wasn't disruptive and outsiders didn't see
it happening or know about it, I don't think he minded a bit if we behaved
like rabbits. I have to say that a lot of the adolescent girls wore very
suggestive clothing, and no bra. They fancied themselves Brazilian models, I
think. It made for nice scenery, and of course since I had performed with a
lot of them in Roberto's films, they couldn't pretend that they were virgins
or anything. But if I grabbed any girl, and if she screamed, I would get in
real trouble. So we had to seduce instead, and that takes time. And then
maybe we'd be interrupted by somebody or something. There was no room for
privacy in the orphanage.

Social worker: How often did you have sex for Roberto, and how much was it
with Roberto and Ivana and how much for the cameras?

Javier:        Roberto and Ivana had their favorites. They liked pubescent
kids. They would habituate younger kids to sex sometimes, but of course they
wanted defloration to be photographed, so that would not happen privately.
They were always happy when the film could show a girl's blood, especially
mixed with a boy's semen. As I said, ejaculation was the big thing for the
cameras. And girls had to spread their legs wide, perhaps with their knees
in the air, so that the penis could be seen going in and out. Older kids,
where the boy's penis was bigger and longer, might try other positions, for
example from behind, or with the boy standing up. Afterwards, the girl
should show off her dilated vagina and the dripping semen. And she would
smile and laugh for the camera. Roberto would direct us. The films were made
maybe once or twice a month. Of course boys didn't want to wait a month to
have sex. But Roberto would threaten to kick us out of the orphanage if we
didn't do what he wanted. So we sort of compromised. Roberto would make
films on a schedule, and for a few days before we wouldn't masturbate and we
wouldn't have sex. That way we saved up our semen. On other hand there was
Ivana, who might pick a boy at random and want to have sex with him, or
direct him to have sex with one of the girls in the main bedroom. Then, at
least, there was a valid excuse if later, on film, not too much semen came
out. Or so I thought.

María Luisa:   Girls had much more training to undergo than boys.
Essentially we had to learn the physiognomy of the penis. Roberto would
watch, and he would photograph us over time while we played and licked and
sucked penises of all sizes. We had to bring Roberto himself to ejaculation
by just kissing and licking the tip of his penis, so that it would erupt on
camera, like a volcano. Then we had to show off our new skills with younger
and younger boys, even some who were too young to ejaculate.

Social worker: What about the difference in ages?

Javier:        It was, as we said, mix and match. Roberto made different
kinds of films, some with younger kids playing naively with each other.
Others with small kids pleasuring older ones. Some with Roberto and Ivana or
a visitor from outside acting. I think the largest number of films were of
just adolescents in oral and vaginal sex. Roberto often said that adolescent
sex was cool. He would make up plots. There might be some lines to say. We
had English classes and a few of the kids were pretty good at English and
they were the ones who would speak; Roberto told the rest of us not to try,
it would only be embarrassing with our accents. One film was a school dance,
and then a teacher instead of being a chaperone starts teaching the kids to
have sex. It was called "El Bailar Desnudo, El Amor Desnudo". It takes place
in an auditorium, our big room actually. The "teacher" tells the kids that
the air conditioner is broken and it's so hot, and why don't they get
undressed a little to cool off. And they do, but they get undressed a lot --
they take everything off. And they resume dancing. The kids are dancing nude
and the boys are getting erections and the girls are getting excited and
between dances they are absentmindedly playing with the boys' penises. The
boys start feeling the girls breasts and probing their vaginas, stroking
their clitorises. Finally one girl gets on her knees and puts her boy's
penis in her mouth, and they everybody starts in, boys sucking on vaginas
and putting their penises everywhere, and the party lasts all evening. It
becomes a sort of orgy, changing partners and everything. What happens is
that one of the girls pretends to get mad when her date touches another
girl, and she invites a different boy to have sex with her to retaliate,
and then everybody starts doing everything with everybody else of the
Opposite sex. It was one of very few films that Roberto showed us. He said
it was his best, because it had a real plot. A sort of plot anyway. There
are a lot of close-up camera shots of ejaculations and of semen leaking out
of vaginas, and that's what Roberto said people want to see in a film. I
guess they do. I had a lot of fun making it.
       Another thing that Roberto and Ivana did was to collect nude
photographs and films of the children at various states of their physical
development and at various activities, either suggestive or innocent; maybe
just playing or maybe actually having sex, if they were old enough to do
that. I heard that these sets were worth a lot of money to foreign
collectors. They were sold on the Internet, in Europe and North America and
Japan, one of the policewomen told me. But not directly by Roberto. She said
he would have been caught much sooner except that he never sold any of his
pictures to customers in our country, always through dealers to Europe and
North America.

Social worker: You said Roberto and Ivana had private sex with the girls and
boys? What other kinds of sex did you have that you haven't told me about?

María Luisa:   Roberto might call one of us over. He would say something
nice, start to straighten up a girl's hair, or her shirt. And then his eyes
would go lustful, and his hands would wander to her breasts, feel her all
over, whether others were there or not. He might take her to his room with
Ivana there too, and we would have sex. Sometimes Ivana would just watch,
sometimes she would join in. Sometimes Ivana would have a boy there, who
would be pleasuring her, licking her pussy. Or maybe there would be two boys
or two girls. The cameras were sometimes on, sometimes not. We did
everything with the light on anyway. And Roberto always told us to keep our
eyes open during sex. To admire his penis, to look in his eyes. And he would
do the same. Penises do have character. I found a penis will reflect the
kindness, or the hardness, of the boy or man whom it is attached to. There
is nothing nicer than to stroke the penis of a kind man who wants you and
will care for you, and to make the man ecstatic so that he will want you
even more. The former street prostitutes ridiculed me when I talked like
that, and they pointed to Roberto as a typical man who would never be
satisfied and would never be faithful. But I still think it's true, at least
with some men. But then, Roberto protected us from nasty men. We understood
that many of the performances, especially those involving many children,
were necessary to earn money. After all, we had nothing else to sell, and
the government gave us no support. So Roberto tried to innovate. He said his
films were educational, and I suppose they were.
       Thus there was the "Club Pubertad del Sexo Oral", where several boys
were lined up, and some girls had to service them orally in a sort of
competition, and Roberto would decide who had done best, and award a prize.
A line of girls walked in naked, in procession, and each girl got to choose
a boy. Each would kneel in front of a boy, and just take his penis in her
mouth, and go from there. She was supposed to practice one of the three
methods I told you about. At the end the boys would be standing there, semen
maybe dripping from their penises, sheepishly proud. I was not in the
procession but was there too, also naked, with a bunch of other girls,
not asked to do anything yet, just to stand around as scenery for the film
while the row of girls marched in. After the action was finished, we were
told to go over and make a fuss over the boys while Roberto awarded the
prize, as if they had actually accomplished something rather than having
just been the object of the girls' oral love. And then we should start to
get excited by their penises, and want to prove that we could do better than
the first girls, and we should give them erections and blow jobs too. What I
did was first to stand behind my boy, and to play with his penis, my breasts
firm against his back. And I would kiss him on the lips and keep playing
with his penis until it got stiff. It took some time for all the girls to
finish, but we did all that. Roberto was pleased, as well he should have
been, because while the camera was still running one of the girls undressed
him, too, took off his "judge's uniform", and gave him a blow job as well.
He later bought us all presents with some of the money he got for that film.
       Very occasionally Roberto would lend one or more girls to his friends
for the night, important local people, politicians or businessmen, and we
would pleasure them. I did that many times. Roberto liked to send me out
because I am taller than most of the others. He called me "statuesque". Once
he was giving a dinner party for a group of men, eight of them, and girl
were assigned to kneel under the table, and when the men were having coffee
to unzip their flies and take out their penises and suck them off while they
talked and told each other stories and jokes and drank their coffee. There
was a wide variety of stuff that we were taught to do. But when you get down
to basics, it was mostly penis in mouth or penis in vagina, or both in
succession, and then ejaculation. The variety is not in the sex, but in the
romance. And romance is the one thing that was lacking in our sex. In our
favorite culebrón that we girls all watched on television there was a lot
of romance. We dreamed of capturing romance for ourselves in the future.
        One time when I was about thirteen years old Roberto had me suck an
older boy's penis for the camera until the boy came in my mouth. Roberto
told me not to swallow but to smile, and he had me lie back, with my legs
apart and smiling and my mouth still full of the boy's semen, covering my
teeth and lips. And another boy came, and started to eat my pussy, and make
it sensitive. And then that boy put his penis in my vagina and pumped, and
he came too. And Roberto was able to get the picture that he wanted, with
semen dripping from my mouth and my vagina at the same time, and the boy
lying next to me with his penis still sticky and wet. I don't know why
anybody would want such a picture, but Roberto did. He said it was sexy. He
told me I had the nicest breasts in the orphanage. But then he told that to
a lot of the girls; it gave him an excuse to feel them up.

Javier:        Once in a while Ivana would call one of us boys over at
random and she would take us to her room or to a secluded spot or perhaps to
her room. She would undress us completely and give us a tactile examination.
Then we would have sex. Once she led me over into a pantry and just lifted
up her skirt and she wasn't be wearing any panties, and she spread her legs
and the I had to eat her pussy right then and there with her standing, and
anybody could have watched who happened to come by, although nobody did..
When it happened to me she was running her hand through my hair, and I was
pleasuring her with my tongue, and she made noises. I don't know if she ever
did exactly this with other boys. It seems she was asserting her authority
in some way but if she was punishing me for something she didn't say what it
was for. Anyway it was the only time I had to pleasure her without having an
orgasm myself.

María Luisa:   The most effective channel of communication to Roberto's was
certainly through his penis. He used to relax in the nude in his bedroom
after lunch. If a girl happened to walk by, he might call her in. I can
remember standing there in the doorway, I had been sent to deliver him a
message. I must have been 13 or so and he was lying on the bed, stark naked.
He called me over, and all I could do was stare at his penis. He took my
hand and placed it over his penis and asked me to stroke it. Before I knew
it, he was seated at the edge of the bed, his penis was rock hard and in my
mouth. I think Roberto must have had sex two or three times a day. Ivana
didn't have nearly that libido, but she did want to be there most of the
time, both as spectator and helper. She might undress Roberto's partner; or
she might undress, fondle and masturbate a boy or even a girl as Roberto had
sex next to her. Often enough Roberto would be having sex with one of the
girls and Ivana would be next to him having sex with one of the boys. If she
was there with him and did feel like sex, more often than not a girl or a
boy who happened by would be instructed to go get a partner so they could
have sex in one or another permutation: the kids with the adults, or the
kids together in one bed and the adults in the other. I think Roberto and
Ivana just didn't like sex to happen alone and without an audience, and they
liked variety and youth. When Roberto walked around the house, he always
wore a T-shirt and shorts, bathing trunks mostly, and no underwear. If he
thought he had relative privacy his shorts could be off in a flash, and he
would be standing there, his penis highlighted by his black pubic hair,
waiting to be serviced. He didn't force anybody to do anything; but the
girls knew that the way to get favors from him, to stay on his good side,
was to keep his lust satisfied. And why not? Giving a blow job isn't very
difficult or tiring. And for just those few minutes, a girl knows she has
the absolute attention of the man she is pleasuring. Roberto was respectful;
even as he borrowed your body, stroked your breasts and crotch, he exuded a
kindness and love. I think it must have been that way between Bill Clinton
and Monica Lewinsky, too. Of course I have grown up doing it, but it has
always seemed to me that taking the penis of a boy I admire and whom I want
to admire me in my mouth, bringing it to life, teasing it, and making it
make love to me is an incredible joy. But of course sex has its place; I
want that boy to take me by the arm, to escort me, to bring respect and
prestige to me. Roberto and the priest were our most respected leaders and
of course girls, including me, wanted to be close to them and to pleasure
them.

Javier:        Although this conversation has been all about sex, it wasn't
our main preoccupation. We were trying to get educated, and keep healthy,
and stay safe. But Roberto and Ivana were frank with us. They said that the
films were the only source of money for our support, and that nobody would
buy a movie unless it had sex in it. Roberto said that he was our teacher,
and the money from selling the films -- of course I don't know if that was
true or not -- was all used for our benefit.

María Luisa:   The orphanage depended on foreign "donors". These were people
who bought the films. Of course when they visited, we were all on our best
behavior. We had to enact the scenes of the films for them. We had to
pleasure them to make them understand how they were made. They might watch
us having sex together. Then the girls would spend the night with them in
the guest rooms. Those were the North Americans and Europeans and Japanese
who would buy the films. These were a very mysterious bunch of men. And they
could be rough in bed. But at least they used condoms. Roberto told them
they had to.

Social worker: Did you have sex with many outsiders? Weren't you just indoor
prostitutes instead of street prostitutes?

María Luisa:   Not at all. There were not too many outsiders, just a few
every so often as I said. There were Roberto and Ivana, and then later a
couple of others who acted regularly sometimes in the films. But apart from
films, there were occasionally groups of foreigners who came to stay for a
few days, usually two to four of them at a time. If there were more they
would have to double up because there were only four guest rooms. Or maybe
Roberto would have two girls for each man, competing for his penis, one of
them after the other sucking it, the two of them together brining him to
orgasm. When there were visitors like that, some of us girls would be told
to bathe and get ready, and we would be sent to bed, naked, in the guest
rooms, one in each, or two if they were doubled up. And we would be told to
wait there, nude, for some important guest to come. The guest might be
surprised and happy, and we would have sex any way he wanted. But he would
use a condom, almost always. I don't know who those people were. But they
were always very kind to us girls. Usually they would want to caress us all
over, to look closely at our private parts. Most wanted to please us; it
made them feel good to give pleasure to a young person. But if they just
wanted to have sex, then we were ready. If they wanted oral sex, they could
have that too. I liked to look in a man's eyes while he got ready to
ejaculate in my mouth, men have such a heavenly expression at such times.
Roberto told me I didn't have to swallow their semen if I didn't want to,
but almost always I did. It was less trouble that way than trying to spit it
out, and we were all used to it anyway. Usually if a man had oral sex at
night he would want vaginal sex in the morning. We didn't mind, I for one
liked the attention. We would sleep together naked, close together, and it
was nice to be held. If there were two girls, then one would be on each
side. I learned that the men liked me to hold their penis after we had sex,
maybe to fall asleep clasping it, or with my hand around his balls.
        When a film buyer was in town, they weren't so kind. They were there
for business. We had to have sex with them, but they were usually not very
gentle. They would pick and choose from among the children whom they wanted
to have sex with, sometimes they would ask for one of the same girls they
saw in the films. Sometimes they would be drunk. Then they could be rough
and they could be angry, especially if they couldn't get an erection, or if
they couldn't get an orgasm. It would be worst if they would blame the girl
and hit her, but that was rare. Because Roberto would send away anybody who
hit his kids. A few times there were women visitors who wanted sex, as
Javier said. And older boys would be selected to escort them, as Roberto
called it. To do whatever they wanted. Not to surprise them naked as the
girls did male visitors, but just to do anything they asked, to pleasure
them. They might stay several days, and a boy, or a boy and girl, would
sleep with them all that time. Or they might take a boy away with them for a
few days at a resort, as Javier described.

Javier:        What about the Japanese?

María Luisa:   That's right. Once there was a group of Japanese men who
came. Roberto made a film just for them, that they took back with them. Of
us kids, only girls were involved, only girls from about 11 who had pubic
hair. The Japanese wanted that. They liked hair. And breasts. They wanted
bigger breasts than Japanese girls have. Or else they wanted very young
girls, just starting to develop. Some preferred that. We were set up, all of
us, already naked, as if having a party or something, and then with the
cameras rolling the Japanese men came in, also naked. They were all
uncircumcised. Each man was supposed to pick one of us girls, and we were
supposed right away to take his big penis into our mouth and make it hard,
and admire it and fondle it. And then do whatever the man wanted. But we
were always told we didn't have to do anything that hurt, or anything like
anal sex. The Japanese mostly wanted oral sex anyway. And they wanted to see
lots of their semen in the film, smeared on our faces, which meant we had to
sort of spit it out after they came in our mouths, and then lick around our
mouths and swallow it again. Or else take it out our mouth while they were
still ejaculating, but then we would have to keep licking the tip so it
would continue to spurt out. Roberto told us to say, in English, how much we
loved them and to kiss and adore their penises as if we really meant it.
After the oral sex, we washed and had lunch. The Japanese went off by
themselves to a restaurant. And afterwards, after lunch, they came back, and
they'd had a lot to drink and they wanted vaginal sex. Roberto told us they
were very happy with the film. He did have a fight with them, though. One of
the girls who spoke really good English told me what it was about. They were
talking too fast for me to understand, and with a funny accent. The Japanese
had said that there was no AIDS in Japan, and that they refused to use
condoms. And Roberto said that it was OK not to use a condom for oral sex,
but that they had to for vaginal sex; he wasn't taking any chances with his
girls' health. And the Japanese relented, but they were angry just the same.
After they left, the other girls and I agreed that the Japanese were more
interested in the quantity of semen than its quality.

Javier:        And tell her about the big movie.

María Luisa:   Sometimes Roberto would make a film that was a big
production, with a lot of players. What Javier called the "big movie" was
set up with all the adolescent girls,, only the ones with breasts and hips
and pubic hair. And we were standing in a line, and one by one, a boy, also
an adolescent, was to walk in and find a girl he liked, and they would
embrace and then perform an act: simultaneous mutual oral sex, or maybe the
boy would just play with the girl's breasts and her vagina and lay her down
then they would end up having sex, and so on. It was sex as a commodity.
Roberto said he wanted to show people all the ways that our sex organs
worked, that it was an educational film and that we should be happy, that it
was our duty, to make it. There was a lot of camera work, close-up video.
Roberto brought in two extra North Americans to take the pictures. And
afterwards, they had sex with us too. But they didn't take pictures of that.

Javier:        Another educational film Roberto made involved, he said, the
progress of puberty. I was one of the kids he chose for that. I had a
partner, Mireya. Roberto would get us together -- and some other assigned
couples too -- naked and we were supposed to spread our legs and show off
our sex organs, touching ourselves and each other. And then, when they first
started to grow, which was after a few months, we were supposed to start
playing intensively with each other, and exploring and kissing, and then
having sex, oral and vaginal. Ivana said that this would teach other kids
what to expect in life. They would see in each chapter, how the kids' organs
got bigger and more functional. I don't know really. Do kids need to study
how to have sex? Roberto ended the project two years ago, when I was about
fifteen. I know that the older women visitors I slept with loved to have sex
with adolescents. But I always thought it was because their husbands ignored
them, and a young boy is more eager, and happy to give them oral pleasure,
to escort them, to make them feel young again.

María Luisa:   There were only a few kids in that project. Not me.

Javier:        We didn't see the films we made, not usually. Roberto and
Ivana always told us that we must keep what we did a secret, that outsiders
would not understand, and that outsiders, do-gooders, did not really care
for our welfare. We knew that, just as they said, we were better off in our
orphanage than on the street as before. And just as they said, when the
authorities found out, the orphanage was just shut, and the houses are being
taken back by the landlord and I hear will be given to some important
person. The trouble did not come from any of us. It came from the North. The
North Americans traced the films somehow. María Luisa and I, and some of the
others are old enough to start our lives; we are still here because we're
being paid to help with the closing of the orphanage. A few of the very
young kids have been adopted, although I know there is a lot of trouble with
the paperwork for those going abroad. Some of the children just disappeared.
The rest are still here. But they know too much, too much about sex, to
integrate into normal families with other children. No orphanage would take
them either, even if it had room.

Social worker: Was there homosexual sex, boys with boys, girls with girls?

Javier:        I wouldn't do anything like that. Some of the little boys
played with each other's penises, even sucked them and so on for the camera,
as when Roberto put honey on them. But Roberto didn't approve of older kids,
of school age and especially past puberty, having sex like that. So he
didn't film it and we didn't do it.

Social worker: Were there relationships among yourselves? Or did you only
have sex when you were told to have it, for the films, or with Roberto and
Ivana?

María Luisa:   Of course once a child has learned about sex, at a certain
age you can't stop her, or him, from wanting it. This became a problem with
the adolescents right away. There might have been bedlam. So they divided
the orphanage, and kids from the age of ten or so were separated. Originally
the house had been two dwellings that had been combined. Roberto and Ivana
had them divided again, so you couldn't just go from one to the other, and
so the girls were in one, with the smaller kids, and the boys in the other,
with the guest rooms and Roberto and Ivana, who slept together. There was a
baby nurse. She was involved in all this too, except that she never had sex
with us, she just helped organize the kids, fed and bathed them, worked with
the maid to clean up, do the laundry and so on. Of course we had to help
with the cleaning and cooking too. And there were two or three teachers as
well as Roberto and Ivana, who taught us English. The teachers were only
there during the daytime, and there were different ones over the years.
Surely they must have known about the sex, but they never said anything and
it didn't go on in front of them. They always told us how lucky we were to
be at the orphanage. They knew, of course, how tough it is for street kids.
And for them, too, jobs aren't easy to get, and I imagine they would have
been discreet about anything they saw or heard.

Social worker: But what kind of relationships did you kids have with each
other? When you weren't forced to have sex with Roberto and Ivana, or in
front of the camera.

María Luisa:   Some of us had boyfriends from inside the orphanage, although
that wouldn't have stopped us from having sex on command with or for Roberto
and Ivana. Whatever relationships we did have couldn't last, because the
boys, too, were movie studs, having sex with different girls and women all
the time. Kids could legitimately leave the orphanage anytime from age
sixteen if they could get a job, and they had to go at eighteen. When they
closed the orphanage of course, a couple of the girls, especially those who
had done it before, went back to prostitution, but a higher class of
prostitution than before when they were on the street. They might perhaps
have one of the boys from the orphanage as manager, as pimp. I don't know; I
haven't seen any of them. Certainly whatever they do all the kids have
better prospects now, they've moved up several classes in life. They can
read and write, they present themselves well; they speak English, a little
or a lot. The girls were taught fashion and how to sew. They were taught how
to carry themselves, as well as how to be sensuous. Most of all they were
given opportunity, the chance to improve themselves, to advance. The boys
learned something about mechanics, and they too were taught ambition. And
English, that's important; a lot more jobs are opened up if you speak
English. 

Social worker: And what did the rest of you do after the orphanage closed?

María Luisa:   As Javier said, a few of the very small kids were adopted and
are going abroad. Nobody wanted the older kids who had known all about sex,
because the experts said they would pollute innocent kids wherever they
went. Those older ones who were smarter or neater or more ambitious tried to
get jobs, maybe in a shop the way I did. The best jobs all go to the people
who look glamorous and who have skills. And who speak English. We had gone
to school at the orphanage, Roberto taught us about computers, about word
processing. And English. Some girls and boys managed to work in offices.
Many just disappeared. We don't see each other any more.

Javier:        I was kept on for a while to help with the younger boys,
until they could be placed. But the landlord is taking back the houses now.
I don't know where I am going to go.

Social worker: What did you like best about the orphanage?

Javier:        Football! We had our own team, and we were good. We also had
tickets to all the games at the stadium. The owner of the team there was a
friend of Roberto's.

María Luisa:   The orphanage gave us our lives back. We were safe. I was
just happy to be off the street.

What are your feelings towards Roberto and Ivana?

María Luisa:   We have had counseling for the past couple of months and we
knew anyway that ordinary children are not exposed to the kind of sex that
we were. But you have to think of the alternative. If it weren't for Roberto
and Ivana we would be dead. We know that they are perverted, but they made
it possible for us to have a life beyond the street. Except for sex, they
were good to us.

Social worker: What do you want for the rest of your life?

María Luisa:   I want to get married and I want a family and I want an
ordinary life. I want nice things, money, innocent kids. I want to be
normal. I don't want to think of the films. There was no romance in them. I
want romance. Roberto used to tell us that we were learning to act and could
become real TV and film actresses someday. I never believed it though. We
could dream of being in the culebrónes, the ones we watched every day. But
it was only that, a dream just like their plots.

Javier:        I want to learn a trade in depth and get qualified. I want a
good life, far away from the street. Are you going to help us?

Social worker: We are trying to raise money. We want you to have a good
life. You deserve it.


NOTE:  Liana, a co-worker of mine from a South American country, provided a
literal translation. I have tried to edit it into colloquial English. The
source is a transcript of an interview relating to a child porn ring and
used in litigation in her country. It was provided by her father, a human
rights lawyer there. He has told us that a U.S. church agency subsequently
took over responsibility for most of the children aged between 8 and 14 and
moved them to new premises. A few very young children were adopted abroad.
The rest of the children were dispersed in the community or went off on
their own. Ricardo and Ivana were sentenced to seven-year prison terms. In
fact they served less than two years and were deported.  -- Carol

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